What's Hot from This Kitchen?

Gluten Free Manicotti vs. Lasagna with Katie Cipkala and Debra Brown

Debra Brown and Katie Cipkala

Put two cybersecurity leaders in a kitchen…and ask them to face off in a cooking showdown. Then sit back and see what happens.

You get one of the most honest, insightful, and unexpectedly hilarious episodes we’ve filmed.

In this episode, Dani Woolf is joined by Debra Brown, AVP East at Pentera and Katie Cipkala, VP of Information Security at LPL Financial.

Why “Validate, Don’t Assume” is the mantra modern security teams need: 3,500+ vendors. Endless tools. Config drift. Overworked teams.
Why people don’t want to feel stupid: Katie explains how shame, fear, and confusing jargon hold organizations back more than any zero-day.
How curiosity becomes the real differentiator in cybersecurity: Not bravado. Not perfection. DEEP Curiosity.
Why storytelling is the secret to building trust inside your organization: And how leaders can break down barriers so people report mistakes early before they turn into incidents.

PLUS: The Pasta Showdown:

Gluten vs. gluten-free.

Manicotti vs. lasagna.

(You can guess which side wins, but you might be wrong.)

This episode blends real security wisdom with human connection, humor, and a little culinary chaos exactly what Cooking with CISOs is all about.

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