What's Hot from This Kitchen?

Episode Summary

Lior Div, CEO and co-founder of 7AI, and Ben Dulieu, CIO/CISO of Duck Creek Technologies, are making two very different dishes. But they're arguing the same point from two very different vantage points.

AI isn't coming for security jobs. It's coming for security toil.

Lior built 7AI around a single, uncomfortable observation: the cybersecurity workforce gap isn't a hiring problem you can solve by hiring. With 1 to 3 million unfilled roles and attackers already running AI-accelerated campaigns, the math doesn't work. The only way forward is to split the work: give the boring, repeatable-but-necessary jobs to AI, and shift your people up to the work that actually requires a human brain.

Ben has lived that argument from the CISO chair. He's the one who had to decide whether to trust it, push on it, and ultimately build a partnership around it. Not a vendor relationship. A partnership. His test for any AI investment is blunt: show me the ROI, or we're not doing it. 7AI passed.

Just like Coq au Vin only works when every ingredient does its specific job (the wine, the bacon, the pearl onions, the low slow heat), Lior's human/AI model only holds when nothing is misused. You don't replace the chicken with AI. You let AI handle the parts no one wants to do anyway.

What You'll Learn

• Splitting the work between human and non-human: Lior's framework for why AI in security isn't about replacement.
• The Sudafed story: Ben's explanation of why so many CISOs are still stuck on AI risk.
• Shifting people up: what actually happens to tier-1 analysts when AI absorbs their alert queue.
• Transactional relationship vs. partnership: Ben's Friday-night-text standard for what a real vendor relationship looks like, and why most don't clear that bar.
• Why the clock is different this time: Lior on why AI adoption isn't like cloud.

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